Is Blindness Curable? With Doctor Glen Swartwout

Join me on Journey to Success with special guest Dr. Glen Swartwout!

Hey, everyone! It's Fabio from Journey to Success, and I'm thrilled to introduce our latest episode featuring the incredible Dr. Glen Swartwout. We're diving deep into his inspiring journey from adversity to triumph.

Dr. Swartwout's story is a fascinating one, and we're starting with the roots. What was life like before he discovered his eye condition? Let's take a trip down memory lane.

Imagine facing a diagnosis so intense and extraordinary that it feels like a part of you is slipping away. We explore those emotions and pivotal moments that define the path from crisis to recovery.

Discover the turning point when Dr. Swartwout said, "Enough. I want my life back." What steps did he take to conquer his illness and reclaim his identity?

Now, he's in a better place, but who is Dr. Glen Swartwout, and what wisdom does he have to offer those on their journey from setbacks to success?

Join us for this candid conversation, and don't forget to visit our website [Insert Website Link] for more insights and resources to fuel your own path to success.

Before we sign off, we'd love to hear your thoughts. What advice do you have for those facing their own challenges? Share in the comments below!

Thank you for tuning in to this episode with Dr. Glen Swartwout. Stay tuned for more inspiring content in the next one!

Reach Dr. Glen Swartwout via drglenswartwout@gmail.com.

Transcript

Fabio (00:00.924)
Hi guys, my name is Fabio from the Fabio Podcast and welcome to a new episode with the special guest, Dr. Glenn. How are you today?

Dr. Glen Swartwout (00:01.438)
I got this.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (00:12.003)
Excited to be here.

Fabio (00:13.612)
Right, very good, very good. So, let's start, right? So, I'm very, very happy about this interview. So, let's see. And I read your story, and I was fascinated by it, but before we get into the details, before you discover this eye condition and everything, let's go back in time a bit.

tell me exactly about your typical day. Okay, not so much hard, so just your typical day up to the moment when you receive this news. Go ahead.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (00:53.006)
Okay, well, at that time, I was in my fourth year, my last year, studying as an eye doctor. So, and I was the top student at the school in New York, the top school for optometry, which was my father's profession. And I'd been elected as the president of the American Optometric Student Association. So I was representing 4,000 student doctors. I was kind of a known personality.

there in the school. So when they diagnosed me, when the ophthalmology professor discovered that I had beginnings of glaucoma at age 25, he knew my scientific background and interest and said, starting at this early in age, if you just follow the standard of care and medicine, it slows down the loss of vision, but it doesn't stop it. So starting so early.

He expected I would be blind in my 40s with the standard medical treatment.

Fabio (01:59.08)
So that's what the medicine says, that's what the modern science says, correct? Alright. So I think it must have been difficult to have discovered something like that anyway, so intense and out of the ordinary. So do you remember your feelings or how was it?

Dr. Glen Swartwout (02:01.622)
Yep.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (02:18.53)
Well, it was a bit of a shock, but it was also very motivating to apply my interest in health and nutrition, which actually I had thought about going into natural medicine, naturopathy, even though my dad was an eye doctor. I knew I could do good work as an eye doctor, but I was really interested in nutrition. So this made that all the more important to find the underlying causes.

remove the causes, treat the causes, whatever they turned out to be to prevent blindness.

Fabio (02:52.7)
So you try to experiment basically on your body.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (02:56.57)
I searched, yes, I searched high and low. My first practice was in Tokyo, Japan as a set up a research clinic and brought my father's work and other American vision therapy work, vision improvement work to Japan the first time, but also got to meet and learn from doctors there, ophthalmologists doing electro acupuncture and.

and nutritional work and herbal medicine. So I got to learn a lot there and just kept learning when I got back to the States, worked with my dad for a few years and I was back in New York where there's lots and lots of things going on, lots of seminars on alternative medicine that I could access. So I just reached out in every direction I could to learn what was working in the alternative arena.

Fabio (03:26.022)
Yeah.

Fabio (03:46.632)
All right, but before, okay, but before to reach this, how can I say, before to reach this way to understand how to cure this disease, right? Maybe you were in crisis or not, or you were just sure about alternatives. So how was it?

Dr. Glen Swartwout (04:08.682)
No, not crisis, just highly motivated, which again was in alignment with my personal interests already. It just propelled me forward at faster speed than otherwise and probably more focused, just, yeah, just.

Fabio (04:14.915)
Wow.

Fabio (04:24.679)
That's beautiful.

Wow, I mean, this is beautiful. Like, mostly people have a grief about it, right? Because it's like someone says to you, hey, you are gonna miss something from your body, something that you are not gonna use anymore. But looks like in your case, you didn't grieve so much. So that's...

Dr. Glen Swartwout (04:52.15)
Well, because I hadn't lost a significant amount of function. There was enough signs there that the process was happening, but it wasn't stopping me from being able to function in life. So that's why it wasn't a big loss. It was just a big threat. Realizing facing the potential of being blind in my 40s, it's like, OK, I have, you know,

Fabio (05:11.74)
Right.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (05:20.29)
15, 20, 25 years to head that off. So I had to see what was possible. And fortunately I did. And along the way I found out that I hadn't, if I hadn't been on that mission, I would have actually, over 99% chance I would have died of a stroke in my 30s. So what I discovered was I was actually dying of mercury poisoning. And that would have taken me out before I lost, you know, my whole business.

Fabio (05:39.733)
Also...

Fabio (05:46.416)
And also for that, the science, the doctors say to you that you would have had a stroke, like 99%.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (05:56.726)
Yeah, I actually, yeah, I actually had some small strokes. I had times when I couldn't, you know, temporarily couldn't remember my own name, my own phone number from childhood that was still, you know, where I was living at that time. Again, that's very scary. That was more scary than the diagnosis of potential blindness because it was actual loss. And I had times where I lost partial vision temporarily. So TIAs, transient ischemic attacks, which are small strokes. Yeah.

Fabio (06:24.084)
Wow, wow, it's interesting. Looks like, in your case, looks like, you know what, it is what it is. It's time to act. Looks truly something like that. And

Dr. Glen Swartwout (06:34.786)
Mm-hmm. Definitely time to take action. I actually had to, in order to be able to afford, once I found out what the problem was, to be able to afford to do the healing work, which included a lot of dental restoration, taking out 14 large amalgam fillings, little by little with support for mercury detoxification because you get exposed to more when you take them out, but you're eliminating the long-term exposure.

and to work with the naturopathic doctor that I found who was really able to help me in Canada. I had to give up, to be able to afford it, I had to give up health insurance and life insurance, and that was my sole focus was staying alive, getting my life back.

Fabio (07:17.663)
No way.

Fabio (07:23.548)
Wow. And Dr. Glenn, can you tell me step by step, like you reached the, looks like you reached the cure, correct? So would you like to tell me the cure of this disease? So let's by step, what did you do?

Dr. Glen Swartwout (07:42.454)
Well, so when I found out that I was, I suspected mercury toxicity because I had 14 large amalgam fillings, but I had done trace mineral analysis of my hair, urine testing, and it didn't show mercury. What I learned from my teacher, my doctor in Canada, was that I'm a non-excreter. My body was not strong enough to excrete the mercury, which...

Fabio (07:47.79)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (08:08.566)
Hair and urine are both excretion tissues. It's something coming out of the body. And my body was storing it up. And my pancreas in particular, and my brain, which I'm still even now, you know, 40 years later, still eliminating mercury from my brain. I've been through so many challenges with that, with all kinds of health problems as my body cleans out the mercury from different tissues, one organ after another, and the brain is kind of the last.

There's a lot of fatty acids and mercury is fat soluble, so a lot of it does store in the brain. And it goes directly to the brain up the nerves from the teeth. So it's a major storage depot. Mercury is known as the great masquerader of the heavy metal mineral kingdom, where it can cause any disease, any symptom, just solely dependent on where it's stuck in the body. It can block any pathway. It's just so destructive.

It can break blood vessels. It's known for bleeding, which is one of the features of glaucoma actually, where the small micro bleeds in the blood vessels around the optic nerve is characteristic in glaucoma. But in conventional medicine, we just say, well, it's just a sign of glaucoma. We don't talk about why those blood vessels breaking.

Fabio (09:23.036)
Right.

Fabio (09:31.112)
Hmm, fair enough. And also the diet helped you as understood correct? So the diet...

Dr. Glen Swartwout (09:37.242)
Well, we had to, yes, definitely had to work with diet. Although the most significant therapies were nutritional and botanical nutritional, natural remedies, natural medicines, and also other natural therapies, light therapy, electromagnetic therapies like post electromagnetic field therapy and microcurrent types of therapies where we're working with the energy. The body is...

The difference between a live body and a dead body isn't chemistry, it's energy. We have to measure the EKG of the heart or the EG of the brain to say, oh, the person's dead. Then sometimes they come back to life when the electricity turns on again. So energy is extremely important and of course, the nutrition is very important.

Fabio (10:21.768)
Okay.

Fabio (10:26.828)
Nice. And you didn't reduce the disease. You totally deleted.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (10:34.906)
I still there was no further progression. I still have normal vision today. In fact, I don't even wear glasses at age 68 So yeah, that's

Fabio (10:44.048)
I have normal glasses as well, I mean. It doesn't count that one, I mean. So...

Dr. Glen Swartwout (10:50.526)
No, no, but I did wear glasses back then. So it's just when we improve health, so many things improve. You know, I had other visual problems that cleared as I cleaned up my system and nourished it and detoxified.

Fabio (10:57.46)
Ah, it's so true.

Fabio (11:06.756)
So true, so true. Actually, maybe something out of topic, right? I decided to take a teaspoon of honey every evening because I truly read that honey gives a lot of benefit, you know, in terms of everything, skin, memory, esophagus. So it makes you feel very, very healthy.

And I would like also to start this, let's call it challenge, with the chocolate, but like real chocolate, 75, 80% chocolate. I mean, we have the tools and the instruments, the food to live in the most healthy way, but maybe we don't do, maybe because we are too much lazy. I don't know, you can answer me on that question actually.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (12:03.574)
Yeah.

Fabio (12:04.123)
But it's weird we don't do enough. It's pity.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (12:08.258)
Well, yeah, a lot of it is the world we live in, you know, just in the last 150 years, our access to whole foods and nutritious foods has completely transformed. So much of the diet is processed and refined. You know, most people eating honey are probably eating cooked honey, which doesn't have all those benefits that you're talking about with, you know, I'm sure you're, you know, finding a source for raw honey and it does have, you know, things like B vitamins that are in the honey.

Fabio (12:18.459)
Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (12:37.066)
are destroyed by heat. So, for example, leading cause of blindness, one of the things that I'm focusing on now because we're able to help people not only prevent but reverse, even though the medical techs still say it's irreversible, but we have just so many cases and letters from Harvard trained retinologists saying, I've never heard of this or seen it, but this person.

was legally blind and they're regaining their normal vision, functional vision where they could pass a driver's test. It's called age-related macular degeneration or just macular degeneration. So it's the leading cause. It affects one out of three people over the age of 75 in America. And it did not exist before there was refined food.

Fabio (13:17.703)
Okay.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (13:28.082)
It still doesn't exist in rare parts of the world where there isn't access to processed and refined foods, where people are just eating from the earth and from gardens and farms and fresh, you know, fresh foods, whole foods. So...

Fabio (13:40.46)
Yeah, I think it's the best. I think I think I think that what it destroys us is actually the processed food and the sugar like we have a sugar everywhere, you know, it wasn't like that maybe three decades ago so or more actually and it's big issue

Dr. Glen Swartwout (13:49.014)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (14:03.334)
Yeah, it's a big issue. And even our medicine is a big issue. There's so much of the chronic disease. Drugs are not healthy. They're not health promoting. The way they talk about it, which described in medicine, is that we're managing symptoms of disease. And that was the case with glaucoma. They could use drops to lower the pressure in the eye. But there's more glaucoma with the disease.

Fabio (14:09.283)
They call it the modern drug, I mean, makes sense.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (14:30.502)
low and normal pressure in the eye than there is high pressure. It's just what we can measure and manipulate with a toxin. We can stop the eye from producing as much fluid. And so, which the body tries to make more fluid flow to clean out the tissue. So we're really stopping the cleansing process in order to manage the symptom of the disease. We're not helping remove the cause of disease. In fact, we're probably contributing to the causes of many diseases.

One out of three people who go into a hospital will come out with a new disease. We call it iatrogenic disease caused by doctors, caused by the treatments and the drugs. And surgery is controlled damage by definition. It's not, it can be essential for restoring health sometimes or preventing further damage. So it's not that, you know, we're entirely opposed to judicious use of certain drugs and surgeries.

but they are considered the standard of care, the standard treatment where doctors used to take an oath, maybe they still do, but I don't know how much anyone thinks about it or believes in it, to first do no harm. It doesn't mean first do no harm and then do harm. It means above all, the other interpretation or translation of it, above all, do no harm, which means we should be avoiding surgery and drugs as much as possible.

Fabio (15:54.382)
Well

Fabio (15:59.128)
What about, you know, I read also about, maybe you mentioned as well in the interview and I wasn't careful, about alga proteins and stem cells. Do you know anything about it?

Dr. Glen Swartwout (16:11.118)
about which proteins, sorry.

Fabio (16:14.727)
uh... Algae.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (16:18.217)
I'm not understanding the word.

Fabio (16:20.048)
uh alga is um alga is uh oh my god a i want listen i'm gonna i'm gonna spell for you yeah maybe it's my english all right so it's uh a for ana l for uh i don't know uh l

Dr. Glen Swartwout (16:45.398)
Oh, algae. I got it, okay, okay. No, no, no. Algae proteins. Yeah, we certainly use algae proteins. And algae is, you know, green, like blue-green algaes are great support for cleansing. It's one of the best binders for mercury, for example.

Fabio (16:48.404)
Some so bother my English is very bad sometimes Algae protein is so true. Yeah. All right

Fabio (17:14.536)
Uh-huh. Because they say that generally it's good for eyes, but I don't know if they meant also about disease like you had it.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (17:16.485)
Uh...

Dr. Glen Swartwout (17:23.882)
Yeah, well, in my case with mercury, like chlorella would be the number two best binder for pulling mercury out of the body through the gut so it's not reabsorbed back to the liver and back to the circulation. The very best that we know of so far from recent research is actually the fiber in strawberry, which need to be organic because strawberries are particularly bad when they're sprayed.

Fabio (17:30.318)
Oh, alright.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (17:50.646)
but organic strawberries are very good. So we recommend that when people eat fish, which naturally has mercury in it, it can have more if it's from polluted waters, but even fossil tuna fish from 50 million years ago shows a high level of mercury, because it's high on the food chain. So it's always been there. So eating strawberries, organic strawberries, with the fish is very, very helpful. You know, as a person who's very sensitive to it, I can feel the difference if I do that.

or if I don't have access to the strawberries, I'll use the algae.

Fabio (18:24.336)
Alright, this reminds what my mother used to say to me. She used to say, it's salmon, it's good for your memory and your eyes. And, and,

Dr. Glen Swartwout (18:32.014)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, but I would avoid the farm-raised salmon. And I mean, the oceans have their challenges these days as well, but yeah, salmon is a smaller fish than tuna, so that's preferable. It's lower on the food chain. You know, there's even smaller fish that are great.

Fabio (18:38.479)
Yeah.

Fabio (18:51.376)
Yeah, but now someone is so fake that maybe doesn't even work so much.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (18:55.434)
Yeah, if it's farm raised, it may not even be salmon colored because of the carotenoids that should be in there that are, you know, helpful for the, very helpful for the ivory, very protective of the eye against free radicals from light. It's part of the damage in the retina. But they'll put an artificial dye in to make it look like it's healthy salmon. And that's a problem. We don't need.

Fabio (19:24.953)
Yeah, yeah, you're right. And I don't even think we have to look so much far. Also, when I go to the shop, the big shopping center, and I take the vegetable there, other fruits, and I'm trying to not take it so many more times. But when I do, then I wash with water or soda.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (19:25.366)
Artificial dyes, they don't help us.

Fabio (19:51.256)
And then I have a proper color that goes out from the fruits. Like, it's shocking, you know? So also these things like make me wonder in which kind of world we are right now. And then we are surprised that, you know, disease like cancer grow during the days. So...

Dr. Glen Swartwout (20:14.322)
Yeah. Cancer also didn't exist a few centuries ago. The first cases were noted in chimney sweeps in England, in London, because they're exposed to all that soot from the cleaning chimneys and the heat and the heat and sunlight and dark clothing that's absorbing all that soot, which has carcinogens in it. And it was testicular cancer was the first cancer.

Fabio (20:41.904)
I didn't know that. I didn't, oh my god, I didn't know that.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (20:43.19)
described. And now, one out of three or one out of two people will get cancer in their lifetime. It's become a total epidemic for all the above reasons, the environmental problems, the diet deficiencies, even the nutrients in our food are depleted because the soil is depleted. We used to put manure on the fields in the spring, and that would put minerals back in the soil.

Fabio (20:52.69)
more common.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (21:10.69)
We've been mining the minerals out of the soil. And while they can put NPK, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, three minerals back in, they don't put magnesium, they don't put other things that would be in the manure. And so those are depleted in the soil. They put NPK fertilizer because they can grow a proper size and color and weight vegetable that they can sell in the market as though it has nutrition in it. It looks like it has nutrition in it, but it really doesn't. Or tomatoes, they're...

Fabio (21:29.489)
Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (21:39.234)
They're picked green and then exposed to a gas to make them look red, but they don't really have much lycopene in, which is another one of the carotenoids necessary to prevent blindness in old age. It's the one that's deficient in the blood in people with macular degeneration. And there's totally a whole different level of lycopene in a vine ripened tomato, and they taste different too. You can tell. This looks like a tomato, but it doesn't really taste like much. And then you taste...

Fabio (22:02.713)
Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (22:07.59)
one fresh off a plant that's ripe off the plant, and it's like, wow.

Fabio (22:14.464)
No, but it's true. Also, this reminds me when I used to eat once ago fish from the metallic box, right? And I don't know the name. And the glasses, from glass. So like the difference is truly huge. And I don't know. It's just weird. So guys, just if you have any disease.

try to eat a little bit healthy and it's not miraculous maybe but for sure it's gonna help a lot so that's what I think.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (22:47.266)
Yeah, and if you can find organic farmers in your local area where the food's not just picked in South America and shipped to thousands of miles and stored in a warehouse where it's all depleting more energy. That helps a lot to know your farmer or have your own garden.

Fabio (22:51.334)
Yeah.

Fabio (23:08.976)
Also I'm Italian, so I'm, well I'm living here in the Netherlands, but I'm from South Italy. And in South Italy we eat, I would say, very healthy. Yeah, yeah, it's true. But unfortunately we still live in a world where, also in South Italy, where it's faster and faster, right? And unfortunately I think that's the real disease. This fasting way to...

Dr. Glen Swartwout (23:12.705)
Uh-huh.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (23:20.502)
Right? The Mediterranean diet is well known for its health benefits.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (23:32.744)
Yeah.

Fabio (23:39.832)
and you go out and then you go to your job and then you go back and then you have a family. So unfortunately this brings you... it's not an excuse, but truly leads you to eat bad. So it shouldn't be. I'm not saying, as I said, it's not an excuse, but unfortunately then we are too much tired, too much lazy to cook and it shouldn't be because it's very important to...

Dr. Glen Swartwout (23:43.944)
Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (23:52.063)
Yeah.

Fabio (24:09.068)
It's like when you, I don't know, I can say this, I think we are like a car, right? But a good car has to, we have to take care about who we are. So it depends what we put inside. So if in this car we put the latest bad petrol, of course, it's not going very well for so long. So I think it's the same example for us.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (24:30.743)
Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yeah, sugar is like water in your gasoline. It destroys the engine. Yep.

Fabio (24:36.604)
So yeah, exactly. Yeah. And right, so, whoa. It's, we are flying and well, I have just a couple of questions, general questions. So now you are clearly in a better place. So my question is, who is Dr. Glenn today? Tell me.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (24:56.334)
So today, my current mission is to go from what I've been doing for 40 years of learning as much as I can about health and healing and then applying that since it worked so well for me, applying it to my patients. I've retired from being a licensed doctor because there's plenty of people doing that. But coaching and consulting in the last 10 years, I've been creating my own formulations because I got frustrated with the limitations of what was available on the market.

We're making remedies that are cleaner. They're more comprehensive. They're more concentrated because nobody, you know, none of us, we're not made to swallow capsules, but yet to take medicine, you know, to get medicine in, like say, you know, Chinese herbal medicine is notoriously bad tasting in many cases. So, and you have to take a whole bunch of it to get the effect. So I'll get the most concentrated extracts of the herbs, the most active forms of vitamins and minerals.

Fabio (25:43.185)
Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (25:53.602)
put together, there'll be many, many factors, like say with glaucoma, many different herbs, many different nutrients that are involved in the process that the body needs in order to heal and cleanse and repair. And so we put as much as we can, it'll be sometimes two or three dozen ingredients in one capsule and say take an herb like ginseng, a full dose of ginseng for a meal would be a whole capsule, but I can get a concentrate that's about

that's 80% ginsengicides, the most active compound in ginseng, and where we only need seven milligrams. So it leaves me, you know, 493 milligrams for other ingredients that'll be synergistic with that. So we're getting just amazing results with that. You mentioned earlier stem cells, you know, people who have had damage and want to repair and restore their health and function their body.

Fabio (26:41.551)
Nice.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (26:50.51)
People are hearing more and more about it, but mostly what they hear is they can go somewhere and, you know, pay thousands of dollars and have stem cells injected into their body, maybe their own stem cells. But our body has stem cells, and those stem cells, our body is smart. It's smarter than doctors, you know. It's beyond science. We're still just learning how amazing the body is at healing itself. You know, a band-aid doesn't heal the body. The body heals itself. So stem cells will activate.

Fabio (27:10.316)
Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (27:19.546)
when we create the right conditions, the right support, the right stimulation, we don't need to inject stem cells. And in fact, it can be dangerous to inject stem cells if the body's not prepared, not in a healthy enough state for those stem cells to grow into the healthy normal tissue. I've seen where a client of mine who'd been working with me for a few years went with a couple of her friends to have stem cell, you know, cutting edge stem cell therapy.

Her two friends both died of cancer within months to a year, where, you know, this is a couple of years ago, she's just fine. Her body was, she had done preparation. So you have to be, even if you're gonna have stem cell injections, I would caution people to make sure you do lots and lots of natural healing first. And in my opinion, from what I've seen, if you do that, you won't need the injections. Your body's own stem cells will reactivate when the terrain, what we call the terrain.

the conditions of growth, just like the soil in a garden. When the soil in the garden is healthy and balanced, it's gonna grow healthy plants. If it's out of balance, certain weeds will grow in order to regenerate the soil. And that's, you know, there's a purpose for weeds too, just like there's a purpose for bacteria in the body. The microbiome we're learning is incredibly important to health. Before disease appears, there's always a loss of diversity and health of the microbiome.

Fabio (28:23.608)
Yeah, right.

Fabio (28:46.645)
Well, so yeah, anyway, yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (28:49.166)
There's so much to it, and yet it's all a coherent whole how the body works together. We don't have to say, oh, we're going to diagnose this, measure this one thing like blood pressure or cholesterol levels or blood glucose and say, now that's the disease and we're going to treat that by manipulating that one thing with a toxin that, yes, manipulates that one thing but it doesn't make us healthy.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (29:18.326)
they are in a healthy person. There's a difference. There was a study in England where they looked at that. It's rare, because usually drug companies don't want to look at the big picture. They want to say, here's the one thing that this manipulates. Now we can sell this. We can license it, even though it's toxic. But they did study on hypertension, high blood pressure, with drugs. And all of the doctors were convinced that their patients were healthier because their blood pressure numbers went down. They were high. They went down.

Fabio (29:35.398)
Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (29:47.926)
They asked the patients, they asked the patient's family, and they asked people in the community, like the pastor of the church that the person went to. Everyone else besides the doctor had the same opinion, but different than a doctor. They said, no, this person doesn't seem as healthy. They're not as energetic. They're not as active. They're not as vital. So quality of life, isn't that important? I think so.

Fabio (30:08.881)
No.

Fabio (30:12.252)
I think so as well. And yeah, but it's true. And also every time that I do an interview, like it's unbelievable, two up four times, always I meet people where they say to me, you know, I had just to eat a little bit good and in a healthy way and now I feel better, you know? So it's always about health at the end of the story.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (30:14.314)
And it's a clue. It's a clue.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (30:22.23)
You have to start like this. It's only a little bit of a struggle. You want to start like this.

Fabio (30:42.272)
It's absolutely beautiful, truly. And, but we should also to understand more this, this concept, you know, then talk about it. And I don't mean you, but I mean us. So yeah. And, uh, wow, great. And, uh, yeah, well, we're done. And before we conclude and say goodbye to our listeners, is there anything else would you like to add or share? Dr. Glenn, tell me.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (30:50.542)
Mm-hmm

Dr. Glen Swartwout (31:09.73)
Well, I love sharing this and I've just recently, I have many books and websites, videos and things, but recently consolidate, putting everything, courses and videos and question answer and access into an online interactive community where we can talk about these things and share and, you know, for doctors, for patients, for caregivers, for self-healers.

Fabio (31:16.165)
Yeah, go on.

Fabio (31:32.818)
Nice.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (31:37.546)
And that's at a site called schoolskoal.com is the platform. And then slash All Heal, which is the name of our nonprofit organization, All Heal, A-L-L-H-E-A-L. And invite people to join. It's free, free access. I believe in open access. I don't believe that, you know, my mission is to, to.

hold back the information so that I can make more money on it or something. It's no, the purpose is to improve the quality of life for all of us.

Fabio (32:07.312)
Yeah.

Fabio (32:11.152)
It's true. Give free value is also the most beautiful thing. Then of course, if you receive something in a money way indirectly, it's always good. But also give for free. Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (32:17.318)
Yeah.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (32:24.506)
We have plenty to offer, you know, that we can't do for free. And again, you know, I have books that you can buy on Amazon or all the websites are free. But the couple have stores with our 150 plus formulations, again, that are very unique and concentrated and comprehensive and getting amazing results. Like in glaucoma, we're seeing patients who've lost, you know, a lot of vision over the last 10, 20 years.

And many of them, when they follow our recommendations with our personal, individual coaching and consulting where we can, there's a cost for that because it takes our individual time. But where many of them are actually restoring over half of the vision that they've lost. Again, the textbooks say that it's irreversible, it's permanent loss of vision, the cells are dead. We're finding that's not true. A cell.

can stop serving vision because it doesn't have enough energy. It's not healthy enough, but the cell is still there. And if that cell recovers the energy and the nutrition and the detoxification level, it can restore visual function. We don't know how many cells are actually dead in a given person or even whether stem cells can regenerate those cells. That maybe we don't know. When I went to school, they said, oh, if there's scar tissue in the nervous system, like in the retina or the brain,

it can't heal. No, we have a formulation for reducing scar tissue that has tremendous effects and very quickly seeing changes in scars in a week or two. Even though they've been there for decades. It's healing. My conclusion is we don't know what can't heal. We can only find out what can heal by trying. But we heal with nature. We don't heal with toxins and damage.

Fabio (33:54.812)
Yeah.

Yeah

Fabio (34:10.326)
Yeah.

I believe it and listen, science and medicine always improve but they have to understand that they can improve better if they implement inside natural things, you know. So I totally agree. And this, well, with this was a very beautiful interview. Thank you so much. And yeah, very, very beautiful.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (34:19.351)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Glen Swartwout (34:29.45)
Yeah.

Fabio (34:43.08)
time like it's truly like flow and thank you so much for be part of this episode with Dr. Glenn and see you in the next one cheers